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WELFARE REFORM

 
 

from the Consumer Perspective:

 
 

A conversation with Indiana mothers who are receiving or have received AFDC

 

By Sue Christensen & Ann Rosen, October 1994

 

In the wake of President Clinton's statement that he would "end welfare as we know it" has come a host of welfare reform initiatives from around the country. Indiana is no exception; several welfare reform bills were introduced in the 1994 Indiana General Assembly. Liberals and conservatives alike agree that the welfare system is not functioning as it should. An extensive survey of public attitudes toward the welfare system, conducted by Peter D. Hart Associates and American Viewpoint, found that many American voters believe that the welfare system today "exacerbates the problem of poverty, because. . . it encourages dependence and fails to provide sufficient help for people to make the transition to self-reliance."

Developing a welfare system that truly fosters independence and self-reliance is a considerable challenge. The design of any new system should utilize the experiences and insights of welfare recipients, who can identify precisely the disincentives to work as well as the effective components of the current system.

In order to hear some of these insights, The Family Connection hosted a focus group for present and former welfare recipients in June 1994 as part of the Step Ahead/First Steps Consumer Involvement Project. The discussion was enlightening. It is our hope that the participants' words can help legislators and voters gain a deeper understanding of the problems and possible solutions of this complicated issue.

Ten women participated in the focus group. Five of the women currently receive AFDC while the others no longer receive any benefits.

The discussion touched on the importance of Medicaid, barriers to self-sufficiency, disincentives to work, the cost of child care, the separation of families, work requirements, time-limited benefits and lack of respect.

 

Loss of benefits

The primary barrier to self-sufficiency was identified as the feeling that one can never get ahead, that there are no rewards for working. As soon as a woman earns a specified amount, she loses benefits. Indiana, in fact, cuts families off AFDC at a lower income than any other state. Participants agreed that a gradual reduction of benefits as individuals earned more, would be a more effective work incentive than removing benefits all at once.

"You make it, they take it. As soon as you feel like you've got a little bit of integrity, where you're trying to make it on your own, they kind of sweep by and take it away from you and you feel like it's futile. You're just working for nothing."

"If they would allow a certain amount until you can get up to where you can make it. Like $12,000 a year or whatever the limit is. Let us work until we're able to handle our bills without the aid of welfare and then we can pick up and carry it off from that."

 

A living wage

Many parents who leave welfare find themselves in the ranks of the working poor, unable to provide for their children, and no longer eligible for any assistance.

"You either got to be poor or you got to be able to make it. No in-between."

"If they are going to train us to get a job that we can get off welfare, they need to put us in a work field where they can pay us more than $4 or $5 an hour."

". . .even though they (welfare mothers) want to go to work, they still want to get out of that poverty. 'Cause if you making less than $10,000 a year, you still poor." (The federal poverty level for a household of three is $12,320 a year.)

"If you get a job, that's going to pay your bills like how welfare did, food stamps did, Medicaid did, and you have just a little bit more-to me that's still okay. Because you supporting yourself."

 

Medicaid

Since most minimum-wage jobs do not include health insurance, loss of Medicaid is a major barrier to parents leaving the welfare system. Parents might want to work, but are frightened of what would happen if their children became sick.

 

"With me it was just about medical benefits. Because I didn't want that burden of having them both get sick; who's going to pay this doctor bill?"

"I first moved to South Bend in '79. I was working at [a fast food restaurant] and I was making $2.90 an hour. I may have worked 20, 25 hours a week. I was receiving a little aid here and there, you know . . . I was trying to comply with the system. And do you know they told me I was making too much money-they wanted to cut me off. Totally. So you know what I did? I quit. . . . If they would have just taken the money and left the Medicaid I may have worked with that. But when they took the Medicaid and I'm sitting here with a three- and a four-year-old, now somebody has to pay the medical bills and $2.90 an hour ain't going to get it. That won't even pay my rent."

 

Transportation

Another major barrier to work is transportation. In order to receive welfare benefits a restriction is placed on the value of the recipient's car. While taxpayers may think that is fair-why should someone on welfare have an expensive car?-it is a major barrier to work.

"You can't have a car, remember. If you have one it breaks every second."

"And that's an expense."

Bus schedules further restrict job opportunities.

"She can work three or four shifts because she has a car. I can only work one shift."

 

Work requirement

We asked participants if they thought all mothers on welfare should be required to work outside of the home. There was general agreement that "it depends."

"That depends on how old your children are. If they're still under six or seven years old I don't think you should be required to work outside the home because guidance starts at home."

Several suggestions were made. One was to put child care in the work place where the parents could watch their own children. Women could be trained and certified to be day care workers or to work at home in a variety of jobs.

"I think there's a lot of women that have a lot of gifts. If they train a lot of house women on the talents they have they could work in the home."

 

Child care

Child care costs are an additional barrier. At $10 a day, for three children, the cost for 21 working days is $630. That takes a substantial chunk from a minimum wage pay check.

"I can't pay nobody ten dollars a day. I have to keep working because I am the provider of three kids. But I leave them at home because I have no other choice. 'Cause I can't pay ten dollars a day."

 

Time-limited benefits

Many welfare reform initiatives around the country advocate a time limit on benefits. These mothers wondered if assistance would be available to help the welfare recipient become self-supporting in that period of time.

"Is they going to give you everything to be up to standard in two years? . . . educational? financial?"

Further, the participants expressed concern that many women would need a great deal of support before they would be ready to work.

". . .a lot of women, most of them had their kids at 14 on up, all they know was welfare. Some of them might be 35 now. . . . You have to be conditioned [to go to work] . . . It's a psychological process."

"It's going to take more than two years. It's going to take more than one or two people working with her. When you get through working with them, with the skills, you got to work with them with their minds and you got to work with them with their emotions. It's a lot of stuff. From the beginning it should have been something like this. You don't allow a person to stay on welfare fifteen, thirty-five years and say, hey, you got two years to get it together."

When asked what would happen to children if a strict two-year time limit were imposed, the mothers expressed concern.

"You know how they show programs now about the Ethiopian kids? [it will be like that]-living standards going to go down, landlords going to put you out of they homes."

"You talking about crime now. Let them do it and see what happens."

 

Marriage

The current system is seen as destructive to the family.

"If my husband, my children's father, lives with me, then I can't get assistance because he is the man of the house. If this man is incapable of providing, then what do I do? Do I put him out just to get welfare checks?"

 

Lack of respect

During the discussion, the mothers talked about how it felt to be on welfare, how they are stereotyped and looked down on by others. Receiving welfare benefits can be humiliating and degrading. When talking to a caseworker, there is no privacy and no respect.

"That's very very personal [the questions you are asked]. They ask you, right there, with everybody's listening, how many kids you got, and how did you get these kids?"

"And how many kids are by the same father? Everybody can hear what's going on. 'They all have different daddies??!!'"

"You know what I don't understand? Do they think we are happy? Living like this? I think that's what they think."

"Yeah. They done stereotyped us like that."

One mother described an interview with a former welfare recipient that she had seen on television:

"They asked her why was she on welfare? She say, 'I don't know. I just wanted to be on it. . . . I was having babies just to get on welfare.' They put somebody on there that made every woman on welfare look really bad. . . . A lot of women that I know, even myself, want to work, want to support their self, they don't want to be on welfare. You use that [welfare] as a stepping stone. You're not using it to stay there. Use somebody to interview that want to step up, take a step higher."

One mother had used the system to take that step up. She got support from AFDC for herself and her children while getting a college degree. She had a job lined up in Texas after graduation.

"See, I used the system in order to get the job. They paid for my child care. I don't have to be worrying about that; I know that my bills will get paid because I get a monthly check. And I know that after I do what I'm trying to accomplish in my life I'll get ahead for myself and my kids. So that's what I have used the system for. At first I didn't want to because I had worked forever and I just got on welfare a couple of years ago and I cannot stand it. I know people on welfare and they are just sitting comfortable and I just can't do that. I have to do for myself because I cannot depend on nobody."

While the other women congratulated her sincerely, they pointed out that she had to move to get a job, that not many jobs paying a family-supporting wage could be found, even for a college graduate.

"How many jobs are there out there?"

"You know why the majority of those people sitting comfortable? There's no way out."

"So why not sit comfortable and relax when there's no way out for you? You know how many times I want to give up and go get on welfare?"

 

CONCLUSIONS

It is clear from this focus group that welfare reform initiatives must take certain key factors into consideration if the primary goal of moving people to self-sufficiency is to become reality. A program that takes people off welfare must not leave them without the ability to provide for themselves and their children.

Jobs which pay family-supporting wages must be available. Without adequate employment opportunities, it will be impossible to "end welfare as we know it." Many recipients who have been on welfare for a long time will require substantial supports before they are ready for employment. Assistance may need to include not only education and training, but psychological and emotional supports as well.

Lack of adequate health insurance in minimum-wage jobs is a major barrier for welfare recipients who otherwise want to work. To choose between supporting oneself and medical care for one's child is not a choice any American parent should ever have to make.

Programs should be designed to strengthen families, not discourage two-parent households.

Sufficient child care funding must be available to assist low-income working parents and guarantee the quality of available child care.

There must be financial incentives for people to work. Keeping more of their earnings and benefits can enable people to work their way off assistance.

Allowing AFDC families to accumulate some savings could help them "get out of the hole." Parents would see the possibility of getting ahead.

Strict time limits on benefits would hurt children, the majority of AFDC recipients.

And finally, in discussions about welfare reform, it is important not to stereotype people. If we understand that families receive welfare for many different reasons, and that many parents want to work, perhaps we can hear and learn from those who have experienced this system. Their knowledge can then be included in designing a welfare system that would support families and children while enabling them to take "a step higher."

 

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